Homicide Suspects Charged With 1st Degree Murder

Three young men charged with 1st Degree Murder made their initial appearance in Sheridan County Circuit Court on Thursday afternoon. The defendants are 19-year-old Dennis Poitra, 16-year-old Wyatt Bear Cloud, and 15-year-old Dharminder Vir Sen. Both Bear Cloud and Vir Sen are being charged as adults.

All three men were remanded to the Sheridan County Sheriff’s Office after Judge John Sampson set a $200,000 cash only bond on each of them.

The State alleges that the defendants entered the home of Robert and Linda Ernst on Wednesday morning with the intent of committing a larceny. According to court documents, the defendants confronted 79-year-old Robert Ernst in his bedroom and he was shot three times. Ernst died later at Sheridan Memorial Hospital.

Poitra could be put to death or receive life in prison if convicted of the murder charge. Bear Cloud and Vir Sen would not be subject to the death penalty since they are under 18 years of age. They face up to life in prison without parole.

Preliminary hearings for the defendants will be scheduled in the next 10 days. If a judge finds there was a crime committed and the defendants probably did it, he will bind them over to district court for trial. The defendants will not enter a plea until their arraignment in District Court.

Despite being the youngest of the defendants, Vir Sen already has an extensive criminal history that spans two or three states.

Each of the defendants is also charged with conspiracy to commit aggravated burglary, which carries a maximum sentence of 25 years in prison.


Sheridan Police held a news conference about the recent homicide on Thursday morning.

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Parents?

Bad parenting at its best right here. Parents-teach, instruct, and discipline your kids. Or they might turn out like this!

But don't you understand

But don't you understand that lots of parents nowadays expect the government to take care of their children. e.g. DARE, School system daycare, Spray Park entertainment, ban anything in the name of protecting kids. Just another symptom of the decline of our country when people offload their responsibilities on the government and hence other citizens.

Healing

For the Family that had lost a Husband, Friend, Father, Grandpa or even someone to look up to. My deepest sympathy goes out to Mrs. Earnst And her Family and Friends. This is one of my many fears for my family as well as anyone else I share this world with. I come from a very large city this type of tragedy happens everyday. But you never hear to much from the public on there personal view of the matter at hand. After reading all of these very expressful comments, For both sides, I'm sure what is being said by you folks wrelly is not helping the family's Deal with there losses. A life has been taken, and children had been arrested. Mrs Earnst, I hope you find it in your heart to forgive them someday. He forgives us as we forgive those who trustpass against us. I had a loss of my grandfather in the same way, But the man walks free, I guess I was too young to understand to have such strong emotions toward this man, let alone the entire family. well when I do see him to this day, I remind myself I do not have the authority to judge this person for his sin. I believe carring any ugly emotion around makes the rest of your life hard. to heal starts with prayer.

A hate crime

Here's a link to a recent hate crime, although since the victim was white I'm sure it wont be charged as such

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday...

There are thousands of cases

There are thousands of cases where hate is only called into question when it is white on whatever... However if it is the other way around you will never see a hate charge, take this case for instance.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/cas...

At her trial was hate ever a charge? I think not.

Nice we have ourselves a

Nice we have ourselves a real statistician here. but your stats do not quantify how many of the crimes were perpetrated do to hate. I thought that's what we were talking about. I understand that it is common for main stream media to blindly take that approach but the educated public can see the difference.

Crime law often refers to "spur of the moment", that has NOTHING to do with hate. IMHO

A little graphic, but I

A little graphic, but I understand your point and see where you are comming from.. I've noticed more and more people are trying to throw out this HATE word as a chilling effect trying to involke shame.. I for one don't fall for it, and see it for what it is, "nothing more then a chilling effect attempt"

hate crimes

It seems that hate crime statutes seem only to apply to white offenders......?????

I totally agree with that. I

I totally agree with that. I see that every day in the city. Its all part of the design to keep people fighting with each other. nothing more.

absolutely no mercy for any

absolutely no mercy for any of these boys. and none for the boys harrassing the judge. This murder was the same as planned. otherwise why bring the gun. How much terror does anyone think these two people faced staring down the barrel of a gun by three punks. This was premeditation.

Totaly agree!!

The other part of that, is the fact that they shot him not once but THREE times. So it wasn't like Bob came around the corner, scared them and then they shot. They made sure they finished the job they went to do. I can say that from talking to someone else who has seen Wyatt in jail. He feels no remorse, not when all he does is sit there with a smile on his face like he doesn't
care at all about what he did. However, I feel that Healy is the one in the wrong.

FYI, you may not have all

FYI, you may not have all the facts that play into why Wyatt may not appear to be remorseful. I know that you don't appear to be hasty or vindictive, so wanted to let you know before you said something you'd regret later. Also please remember that Wyatt was not the one who allegedly shot 3x. Again though, there may be more playing into why he 'appears' to not be remorseful.

This is ridiculous.

Hate doesn't enter into it. Neither does vengeance. Who cares why a rabid dog does what it does? No gushy emotional response necessary - just put 'em down and get on with life. Keeping a rabid dog caged until it dies is simply cruel and pointless. These scumbags are no different than rabid dogs, and deserve to be treated as such. No better, no worse.

Get Over it

Strange, all these comments as to what to do and why,etc. and most of the people do not know personally the parties involved. Pretty easy to judge and point fingers at people when it does not directly involve you or your family.

In the End we get what we deserve. Good and Bad. So much anger and hate. But dont you understand? You do not control the ways of the world. The best thing we all can do is make sure and take care of things the best we can. That positeve energy will continue to make the world a better place. Earnst is gone, now what are we going to do with his goodness?

Yea, we can keep on blaming and being rude and such but ask the question as what good is it doing. The real sad thing is that most people wont read this post. We are all guilty. How many things did you do today to make the world a better and safer place. Did you tell you spouse, kids, brothers, sister and friends how much you care and love them? What have you done? Come on people, stop the hate. I use my full name. I am not afraid that someone might know who I am. Why dont you all do the same.

Get over it? Seriously?

Saying “get over it” in this instance is absolutely asinine. As I’ve been reading through many of these posts, one thing is very clear. We’re getting off the subject. An innocent man is dead and many, many people will continue to grieve because of those boys. Those boys made the decision to, at the very least, break into a home and take something that wasn’t theirs. They ended up taking something so much more precious than just money. They took a man’s life and that is absolutely irreplaceable.

As far as I’m concerned there isn’t enough time in the world for those boys to be in jail. They made the decision and they will have to pay, pure and simple. Bob and Linda Ernst didn’t make the decision to take what didn’t belong to them. They have always been about kindness and generosity, not taking what didn’t belong to them.

Please don’t forget that everyone. No matter what else is happening in your community (fire bans, kids harrassing a judge, etc.); remember that those boys made the decision to break into that house. Those boys made the decision to take a gun into a home in the middle of the night. Please don’t vilify those of us who miss Bob with all of our hearts and think of his family each and every day. I will never “get over it” and to suggest that I should is not only offensive to me, it’s offensive to Bob Ernst’s memory.

Get over it

The most offensive part to me is that is seems you were only able to read and see what you wanted to. You saw the tree's and missed the forest. But we as people only see what we want to see and hear what we want to hear. Hard to see with your eyes closed or listen with your hands over your ears.

I would suggest you try again and get something good out of that post. Just a suggestion.

It is alright to feel sarrow, and go through the grieving process. Ernst may of passed away from this world but all the good things he has done still continue on without him. I did not know him. I only heard good things about him and he seemed to be a pretty good and fair person. When a person dies, they leave behind thier legacy and his legacy is good.

I live my life as if everyday is my last, that is why I make sure those that are close to me know how much I love and care about them, everyday, every hour. I do this and I am not even a pretty good person, I am just person living life. To be honest with you, I have never met an innocent man, but I have met some pretty good folk. Carry on the good things and leave the bad behind, otherwise we are villians. Seriously

Age

For those upset at the defense of the youth: You don't know the age of the poster. As an adult I am struggling with wrapping my head around this. How one little detail could have been different and we wouldn't be here...I cannot imagine how hard it has to be for those who were peers of these youth. To know what allegedly happened and know someone they knew or used to know could have been a part of it. That doesn't mean they condone it or they think the kids should be set free, it means they are struggling trying to reconcile in their mind how the person they knew ended up so far from where they started. So use some grown up skills and allow them to grieve and learn from this tragedy. Every post supporting the youth usually starts or ends w/ a sincere apology to the Ernst family. They know they can't take that hurt away and they never make light of it (or from the postings I've read). There is plenty of blame and pain to go around...

It is really hard to read

It is really hard to read anything wonderful about these men that entered the home of this couple, armed with a weapon they knew they were going to use.Life in the victims future will never be the same for generations to come. These men were programmed by their family life to end up just where they are. You can say all you want about the Bear cloud boys, but we know first hand about their distruction. A few years ago my family member couldn`t get one of these boys off his back and my family member was accused of harrassing this thug. Way to go Mr. and Mrs. Bear Cloud ( even if she is dead) you are reaping your just rewards.To bad main street hangings went out in the old days. If that were my dad you murdered we could have practice one of your own rituals. Why would you want ANY member of these families left near your doorstep.
God be with yoy Mrs. Ernst and family. Looks like one of our good judges has been bearclouded too.

to johnnie clear

i would shut your mouth you dont know anything about the bearclouds or jr. our families had noting to do with it..you know i said i wasnt gonna read this stuff anymore and yet again i do and have to get on here and defend the families from you hypocritical people who dont know anything about us..it was dhar's idea to shoot mr ernst not the other boys and in dhar's interview when he said if he would of had it his way he would have killed mrs. ernst which means the other boys had to have pulled him away so he couldnt do that. and i personally know it is a fact what the judge did, and its pittiful you have to take aim at mrs. bearcloud when she isnt even here to defend herself..WAY TO GO!!!!!

jen

You tell every one else not

You tell every one else not to slander "these boys" yet I have seen you slander Dhar in several of your postings. Were you in the interview with Dhar? Were you in the heads of any of these boys. Is this the first time the other two boys had ever been in trouble? And just what were the high on? There are many factors to this situation. Most of whuch no one but the individuals involved know

I BELIEVE YOU MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD HOLLOWAY. THE INDIVIDUAL COMMENTED ON THE STATUES IN WYOMING THAT FAIL TO PROTECT MINORS AND THE SADNESS OF THE WHOLE SITUATION AND SADNESS AND LOSS EACH INDIVIDUAL INVOLVED ARE EXPERIENCING. IF YOU WERE NOT IN ATTEN

Shallow

I just hope that the families of the 3 boys know that not everyone is so shallow minded. What's done is done, it was horrible but we cannot change what's happened. I pray for everyone involved, and for those who are acting childish. I know absolutely nada about any of the families, but I do know that I was not put on this planet to judge others or put myself on a pedistal to others.

I am not from Wyoming, where I come from murder occured on a daily basis, several times/day. It was #3 on the most dangerous cities for many years. It was horrible and scary, but people do not act like this. People realize that humans make stupid impulse decisions sometimes or even conscious decisions because they are ill or can't handle life. Whatever these boys reasons may be, I have never met such judgemental people until I moved here. I'm sure people will say to go back to my crime filled city and such this isn't about me or anyone else from out of town. I have never been in trouble with the law and I am a good citizen, but ya'll need to forgive and move on or nothing good will come of all of the hatred you are giving out! You are the one's who are making this city become more unsafe with all this hatred, that's how it starts!

Quit judging others, quit hating, and focus on the fact that these boys are going to pay for what they did, no matter what their sentence is they have to deal with you people when they get out, and the guilt and fear of thier afterlife. Focus on helping this community heal and do good things with the bad that happens, don't make it worse!See people as being different than you and never place yourself on a pedistal because it will come back to haunt you someway somehow...

The use of the hate card

The use of the hate card will not last much longer... If you come from a large city you should know that.. In the end it all comes down to actions. And as one other person said, three people made the choice to break into a car and take a gun, three people made the choice to break into a house for personal gain. One person made the choice to fire a loaded gun into another human. It dont mater that the other two didnt pull the trigger, they were all three in the comission of a felony. The old saying goes, Birds of a feather flock together. These three kids should have never been allowed to run together, a good parent would know that.

shallow

Most crimes in large cities derive from hatred. These were teenagers, I am uninformed as to the reason why they chose the Ernst home to break into, and please enlighten me if you know. No matter what their reason or what happened the hatred you and others show towards these boys is going to have more of an effect on this community as a whole than the shooting itself. I myself and several people I have spoken to do not believe the hatred that is encircling this town right now, it's scary...I know no one who would want to be responsible for this so have some respect for others and yourself...

Hate

There's no hate here, other than the hatred for what these fools did, and a lot of irritation at those who minimise their acts and make excuses for them. I really could care less about their race if they were white I would be just as outraged.

Would you care to post some

Would you care to post some facts or statistics ? I would like to see real statistics to quantify your statement of, "Most crimes in large cities derive from hatred." Did you just float that idea in hopes that because you made the comment that it would somehow give itself validity ?

" I am uninformed as to the reason why they chose the Ernst home to break into."

I think info was released that it was a crime of opertunity, and that the perps had tried to enter another dwelling but was detered by dogs.. This by the way shows that they had an objective of B&E.

Shallow, call it what you will.. you call it shallow others call it prudent.

There are tons of sites with statistics...

Crime Type 2006 Total Per 100,000 People National per 100,000 People
Overall Flint Crime Index 11187 9460 4479.3
Flint Violent Crimes 3070 2596.1 553.5
Flint Murders 54 45.7 7
Flint Rapes 143 120.9 33.1
Flint Robberies 627 530.2 205.8
Flint Aggravated Assaults 2246 1899.3 336.5
Flint Property Crimes 8117 6863.9 3906.1
Flint Burglaries 3058 2585.9 813.2
Flint Larceny/Thefts 3538 2991.8 2601.7
Flint Motor Vehicle Thefts 1521 1286.2 501.5
Flint Arsons 1 186 157.29 N/A
House Passes Jones' Plan to Toughen Hate Crime Laws
Lawmakers, prosecutors and sheriffs rise to support bills, demand action
— May 20, 2009

LANSING – The Michigan House of Representatives today passed a plan introduced by State Representative Robert Jones (D-Kalamazoo) that will toughen laws and give law enforcement agencies the tools they need to crack down on hate crimes. The plan now moves to the Senate.

"With this plan, we are supporting our sheriffs and prosecutors in their work to protect people from hate-motivated crimes by strengthening their ability to enforce the law," Jones said. "We've seen a worrying rise in the number of hate crimes committed in Michigan and we must give law enforcement the tools they need to combat this trend. Today's vote is a step toward getting tough on crime and creating a stronger, better Michigan for our children."

Jones stood alongside fellow bill sponsor State Representative Woodrow Stanley (D-Flint), House Democratic colleagues and Michigan prosecutors and sheriffs today to call for action on the plan. The plan that passed the House creates a new offense in the Michigan Penal Code called a bias-motivated crime, which includes any intent to intimidate a person based on one of these characteristics: age, disability, gender, national origin or ancestry, race or ethnicity, sexual orientation or association with a person or a group with one of these characteristics. By specifying what constitutes a hate crime, the plan will ensure that law enforcement personnel will not have their hands tied when attempting to prosecute.

Persons found guilty of a bias-motivated crime would face tougher penalties based on the level of the crime committed. If the crime committed was a misdemeanor, a bias-motivated crime would be punishable by two years in prison and/or a maximum fine of $5,000. If a felony, the penalty would increase both the minimum and maximum recommended sentencing range of the crime by 50 percent.

According to the U.S. Department of Justice, Michigan ranks third nationally in reported hate crimes, with the Michigan Alliance of Hate Crimes reporting 914 bias-motivated offenses in 2007. This is up from
721 in 2006 and 716 in 2005.

"We can no longer tolerate this repulsive behavior," Jones said. "To allow such crimes would be a disservice to those who fought for civil rights, women's suffrage and other social movements. These tougher laws will help protect our residents and send the message that all men and women should be treated as equals."

How did you come about the

How did you come about the information in a police interview?

I BELIEVE YOU MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD HOLLOWAY. THE INDIVIDUAL COMMENTED ON THE STATUES IN WYOMING THAT FAIL TO PROTECT MINORS AND THE SADNESS OF THE WHOLE SITUATION AND SADNESS AND LOSS EACH INDIVIDUAL INVOLVED ARE EXPERIENCING. IF YOU WERE NOT IN ATTEN

its public record

That information is public record....its called precedence.

I see

First, I believe the victims in the case had their doors locked, the perpurtrators cut through a screen. As for nothing to do, what a lame excuse I guess whey were bored so the decided to go get high and rob houses. MAYBE THEY SHOULD GET JOBS, or even cable... The excuses and reasoning here is absolutley hilarious, although I dont think a jury will be very entertained. I wish this was gonna be oun court TV, I'd have entertainment for a week listing to arguments like peoplewerent nice to these boys because of their race, or they had nothing better to do!!!! God I hope these arguments are used in court I'll have entertainment for a week. I might even take a day off work to watch the show. What do ya bet that it's standing room only at the trial.

to gollum

you dont know where you stand do you? you cant figure anything from one post to the next..oh you said you shouldnt have said the things you said before but here you are again..im so glad all of this b s is entertaining you

jen

The antics

Well I wasn't sure really, but the Saturday night antics at Judge Healy's house made up my mind. Whatever sympathy I had for any of this group is gone.

gollum

i personally know these kids were walking and skateboarding by..they have no reason to try to start anything with judge healy..why are you hounding on those boys? just because one of them is wyatts brother doesnt mean anything so stop trying to analyze everything and shut up

jen

location?

Did the confrontation happen in the street or the alley?

you are so perfect why dont

you are so perfect why dont you figure it out and figure the case out too..hey why dont you become a judge or a prosecuting attorney..listen i know way more then you do being a family member so dont even try cause aint no one playing your games, you are so undecided on how you feel are you bi-polar or what??? i am so sick of even reading what you write. be sure you know all the facts, you only know what you have read..do you know these boys? no! do you know anything other than what you have read? no! are you a cop? a judge? anyone else involved in this no! GET A LIFE!!!!

jen

so was it

If you know just answer the question, did the confrontation happen in the alley, or the street in front of the house? It's pretty hard to skate board in an alley. If you know (maybe you don't) please share the information with the class.

so was it

If you know just answer the question, did the confrontation happen in the alley, or the street in front of the house? It's pretty hard to skate board in an alley. If you know (maybe you don't) please share the information with the class.

The antics

Well I wasn't sure really, but the Saturday night antics at Judge Healy's house made up my mind. Whatever sympathy I had for any of this group is gone.

"Kids with nothing to do" is

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Well...

How about more awareness of the problems that Sheridan County is facing. How about more involvment with the youth in Sheridan? How about prayers being put out in the universe. How about people learning to keep their doors locked. How about more people telling young people that it isn't ok to be out wandering in neighborhoods at midnight anymore. How about promoting healthy activities in the evenings aimed at teens?

Tragedy can either "devastate" individuals and communities or encourage them to find strength, perseverance, and raise the level of humanness that we sometimes forget in this busy world. Maybe, just maybe, instead of spending so much time behind a computer talking about the problems from a isolated vantage point.....individuals could volunteer at the many, many programs aimed at helping others in this community.

I for one want to be part of the solution...and not complain about a problem and do nothing in response.

good from this mess

What possible good could come from this mess? I'm serious an old man who was a pillar of the community is dead, and three kids are headed to prison for many years. All of your famalies will be devastated.... I just dont see the good here.

Jillie28

I would also encourage the same to you. You cannot change other people...no matter how much you write on this site. Your heart has been hurt because of this situation and people will have strong feelings on both sides of the issue. Everyone will deal with it in their own way. We can only pray that something will be learned and good will come out of tragedy. Don't keep reading these comments. Instead, find the people that love and support you and make the change happen there. Peace and prayers to you and your family.

TO NATIVE UNCLE

uncle terry, you are too big hearted of a person to be brought down by these idiots who think they know you and your heritage. we know the truth dont we and all these people who are mean and hateful will be judged someday. so dont retaliate and let it get to you thats what they want. thats what i decided to do..i love you and i hope you have a great day. and dont listen anymore to these neanderthals who put you down. love, jen

jen

Poor choice

Reality Check...This has been a poor choice. Using this forum to be hateful and make judgements that you know nothing about. Attempting to insight an individual that is passionate about his family and his belief systems. You are very wrong about sweat lodges and the importance of them. Then stooping to make hateful comments even about "spell check." My guess is that your lack of appropriate response is actually more indicative of your educational level and the need to feel superior to someone by judging them.

Sheridan Media, this is a small town. The five or six individuals that have turned this into a hate and bashing competition have really lost perspective and are using your sight inappropriately. No man should have to defend his religious beliefs on here...nor the sanctity of life and family. I would hope that you reconsider being the vehicle in which others have the opportunity to be ignorant and spread negativity and hate.

WE NEED TO GET ALONG

WE ALL NEED TO GET ALONG AND PULL TOGETHER AND STOP ATTACKING THE FAMILIES.EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD EVENING

Cant u be rednecks on your

Cant u be rednecks on your time. ia hear and iam going to stay hear like it or not . Iam not hard to find

stay here

I want you to stay here, what kind of entertainment would this be to sit here and debate with a bunch of people who agree with me!!!!! Course before your relatives recent mishaps I never saw any of you here before, and I'm somewhat convinced that when all of your legal entanglements are over (which may be a long time considering the events of Saturday night) we regulars will probably not see you here again. I'd love to be wrong because I honestly enjoy arguing with you all.

Wow Native Uncle,you ever

Wow Native Uncle,you ever hear of spell check.

High Wolf? What are you high on? Don't try to tell me life either! [ offensive material deleted by site admin ]

race

Some here would like to make this an issue of race, it's not about race it's about conduct, and the saftey of the Sheridan community.

code

I don't see why the sweat lodge can't be done according to code, can't you use an enclosed grill or one of those outdoor fireplaces like at wal-mart? why do you feel the need to flaunt the law? Can't you do this before fire restrictions go into effect? fire restrictions are only in effect a couple of months a year.

Native Uncle is none other

Native Uncle is none other then John Moronic.You're about as much Native American as Obama is.

Please spare us the whine session about how you've been kept down and picked on in Dayton for your religous beliefs.Dayton has a fire code and restrictions in place for a reason,they already had a large portion of Tongue River burned up by some idiot.They don't need you John,heating up rocks with an open bon fire just because you're to cheap buy a sauna and get sauced in it.

The only thing that you have that even resembles that of an indian,is your inability to abide by simple laws.

First of all this not john

First of all this not john Moronic . This is TERRY RICHARDS HIGH WOLF. inrolled member of the oglala sioux tribe.The hell with Dayton and there fire code if it had any ground they can come over to my house tonight and try to put my fire out then i well own dayton. And this land is my is the land of my grandfathers and theres befor them and if u dont know about the fire or the rocks the u need to keep your mouth shut or or come look me up and i can teach u what its about if u have room in that small mind of yours. and it was not a sweatt fire that burned toung river down it was a mindless jerk like u.So keep it to your self and if u want to say names say yours so we know who u are NORTHERN OGLALA

wondering

I sitting here wondering, looking at your posts here, and some of your actions at the judges house the other night, are you really trying to help these boys or are you trying to torpedo any possible chance they might have at a fair trial or lighter sentence?

I wonder

Will the DCI and Sheriff's office think it's a coincidence that just three days after the worst local crime in years, four men having connections with the accused show up at the house of a local judge, at eleven thirty at night, and end up in an altercation with him? I tell ya if I had judge Healy's job I'd sure be drunk. By the way I believe he's elected which means he can't just be fired.

Some of you exemplify this word....

Main Entry: hyp·o·crite

Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

— hypocrite adjective

Some thing this town forgot

Some thing this town forgot is that we all have rights as americans weather were white black red or yellow. And the law needs to up hold these rights if they cant the state needs to step in and if the state cant the goverment has to. That judge needs to b fired plane and simple. I called the sheriffs department hoffmire said he was going to talk to the county attorneys and the officer that issued the ticket and hell get back with me today about the sweatt fire. Yeah my number is the same give me a call it well b good to hear from u its been a long time. this is what a native has to go through to live free we have to fight every bit of the way to keep what we belive in. Ill see all u brothers tonight at my house for healing and prayer for all involved. NORTHERN OGLALA nativeuncle

TO NATIVE UNCLE

hey uncle im sorry i cant make it out tonight but you know who will defianately be there..love you, jen

jen

what the heck

how does a judge persecute people for crimes that he himself has commited? wow!! has he really done all that stuff you all have wrote? and if he is the deciding judge on the boys case nothing will ever be fair..im speechless

jen

Judges and Sheridan County Courts

I have no knowledge of Municipal Court Judge Stuart Healy's prior actions and will not comment to the validity of the prior statements. I can tell you that there are only two judges that will see the defendants in this case. They have made their initial appearance in Sheridan County Circuit Court presided over by Judge John Sampson. This judge will also see them in their preliminary hearing where the State will present their prima facia case with a witness or two that can testify to hearsay. This is NOT a trial. The judge will then decide whether or not there is enough evidence to bind them over to 4th Judicial District Court for trial.

That court is presided over by Judge John Fenn. Once the defendants are bound over they will have their actual arraignment, where the charges against them will be explained in detail and they will be given a chance to enter their pleas. If they plead not-guilty then the court will schedule a jury trial in Judge Fenn's court. If they enter guilty pleas then the Judge will most likely order a pre-sentence investigation (PSI) which will take 30 days or more before another court appearance is scheduled for sentencing.

If the matter goes to trial the PSI will take place if a guilty verdict is reached by the jury. If they are acquitted then the matter would end right there.

Municipal Court Judge Healy will have no official contact with the defendants in the process.

Fair

I don't know what happened but am sure it was a coincadence. In order for the boys to get a fair trial and a impartial jury it may have to be moved out of this town. It has happened before. I guess we will see. We both know these are good boys that did something stupid. My daughter has never been in trouble, but her last name causes her hardships, because of her father's family. In a small town, just sharing a last name...for some, is all it takes. We will all get through this together.

Dani

Ummm

A county or city attorney would PROSECUTE (not persecute), not a judge.

Nobody has been charged with anything.

He is not the judge on the boys' case.

Let's attempt to know what we are talking about folks....

Shocked!!

I am totally shocked by the news. Bryce is a good kid and doubt he was there on purpose. This is a small town.

Dani

To my family hang in there

To my family hang in there lots of love. to dani thank u we need to get togeather for sweatt some time. we well have to wate tell the tenth the sheriff shut us down agean beause the high fire bull. In a time we need it the most just another way to hold us down they dont understand or dont want to understand. it just makes us stronger. to all u other people out there see u in court.

Fire restrictions

The Sheriff is charged with enforcing the current county-wide ban on open fires. A complete list of the fire restrictions are available at www.sheridancounty.com and there are also provisions for exemptions. Contact the County Fire Warden Bill Biastoch and he can give you information on the process. I don't want to vouch for the possible success of your efforts, but I'm willing to bet if the proper fire districts are notified you would probably be allowed to have a fire for your sweat lodge unless the lodge is within the corporate limits of any of the County's municipalities.

Kurt the county wide fire

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I agree

I agree with you totally. I could use a goo sweat right about now. My phone is o the fritz but I will call when I get the new one on the 9th. Is your # the same? I can't believe what these families have had to endoure. I hope and pray the courts take into acount that Wyatt and Jr. did not shot that poor man. My daughter is heartbroken. One Love. Native Pride!!

Dani

Fire

The sheriff's department wouldn't let you do a sweat lodge because of the fire danger?

No opinion involved

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Alarming

From just reading the paper, I find it a little more than alarming that the brother of a murder suspect and several of his friends show up so close to the house of a local judge and end up in an altercation with him. On the surface it smacks of intimidiation of a public official. There needs to be a indebth investigattion by the sheriff's office

There'll be an "indebth"(deb

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Your right

I would agree. When there is a physical altercation involving a sitting judge and the brother of a murder suspect in front of the judges house DCI should definatley be involved...let the chips fall where they may.

the kids would welcome that kind of investigation

they were out walking.

How do you know

Do you have personal knowledge of what the boys were doing? Or is this just a guess?

Wow

I have lived here all my life and don't know where the Judges live. Their being there could have been just a flook. I know that Bryce is a good kid, he works and help his dad. My brother used to be in alot of trouble and the police knew him on a first name basis. And just when we thoght it couldn't get any worse coencedances made it worse. I am sure these kids merely stumbled on the judges home. I hope that this JUDGE gets in trouble for this. Some of the enforcers of the law have been in trouble themselves, and get away with alot more then they should. Hoping for the right outcome if these are the facts. I have faith that they are.

Dani

Walking

Theres nothing illegal about that to be sure. However it does seem very suspicious that of all the places to walk in town they just happened by this house. I'll be very curious to see what more comes out as far as any third party witnesses, and if the boys were loitering versus just walking by. I can tell you for sure that if I had an immediate family member who was likley to stand trial for murder the last place in the world I would be was with four other friends in front of the house of a sitting judge at eleven fifteen at night.

Is he the sitting judge on

Is he the sitting judge on the case of the three boys ? Yikes, he might want to recuse himself so that the three boys dont try to come back and get him on that in an appeal. Im not saying the appeal would hold water, but why waste tax payers dollars in the future...

No

A municipal court judge has nothing to do with felony charges.

Tabloid

Wow, so sorry to hear that individuals that believe that their opinion is fact have an open forum with so little accountability for what they say. How did it go from offering condolences to a suffering family to take shots at a judge? Sheridan Media has turned into the National Enquirer. I quit reading the press for the same reason...although I did enjoy some of the crack pot letters to the editor. I just didn't know we had so many people that sit in judgement and cast stones. I guess I am back to buying the paper every few weeks.

Disappointed

I'm sorry you're disappointed with the comments on the forum. We at Sheridan Media are doing our best to monitor the comments and keep things as civil as possible. However, we would be remiss to offer a public forum, such as this, and simply delete comments we don't agree with. The comment section of any news story or part of the website does not reflect the views of Sheridan Media and only the individuals who post their comments here. I will try and help clarify any facts that we have information on, and we are contacting users who may be violating the profanity and obscenity rules for the site. If you feel the forum is being abused you can click on the "flag as inappropriate" link on any comment and we'll be notified. Also feel free to email me anytime, my address is: kurt@sheridanmedia.com Thank you for your participation in the forum.

Well Ralph Amsden,for being

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Try Me

Lane is high school aged. 18 makes no difference, and I doubt Healy said "how old are you" before getting physical.

It's just a feeling...It's just a thought...

What is underneath these feelings, emotions and thoughts? Or is this all you are aware of? Is this who you are?

The rewards of the development of consciousness are limitless -- every area of life is beneficially affected by the growth of full human awareness. There is no problem, physical, emotional, mental or spiritual that cannot be reduced and eventually resolved as an individual moves more and more toward complete consciousness.

If we face away from the Sun, we will cast a shadow. If we never turn to face the light, we may learn to believe, based on our own personal experience, that the shadows are real. But of what importance the shadows if suddenly we turn around and face the Sun? At first, our eyes may be dazzled after so long spent struggling to discern differences in the darkness. But as they grow accustomed to their natural function, it becomes increasingly difficult, even impossible to see shadows lurking in the darkness, for there no longer is any darkness.

The light of Infinite Consciousness resides within each of us. This must be so, else it would not be Infinite. We are all sparks of the divine flame. It is only our continual, moment-by-moment decision to remain with our backs to the light that keeps us lost in the darkness.

This is a good time to turn around, is it not?

What....

....are you smoking?

Shame on the Sheridan Press

for dedicating much of their coverage of the incident between Lane Terzieff and judge Stuart Healy to the mere presence of Bryce Bear Cloud. My greatest fear is that the compounding fears of those in Sheridan will lead to the abuse of the town's youth. Lane is someone whom I've mentored for a long time and love very much. I advise that the judge use a bit of "JUDGEment" and not resort to physicality of any kind with youth in the future. As for Sheridan's kids- Stay inside for a while. Thanks to this senseless violence committed by your peers, you all have been gifted with a bulls-eye for the target practice of the scared and ignorant (and apparently intoxicated).

Ralph Amsden

Hmmmm

So let me get this straight. You posted earlier to leave the kids and their families alone and let the legal process handle everything.

Yet, with very little facts out, you are going to call out an upstanding member of the community, when we don't know the extent of what happened with the investigation still on-going.

Very interesting indeed.

to clarify

I know all of the parties involved in this scenario, and my worst nightmare is that the youth of Sheridan become targets for misconstrued frustration. Judge Healy may be vindicated in this, but his personal admission to physical aggression is the origin of my suggestion that he use his professional skills in his personal life. Do not become physically aggressive with a high school aged person if it is not necessary.

I hope that this altercation can be a teachable moment. This tight rope act between frustration and aggression will lead to more damage.

Clarification of some things..

Ok...first of all..This is an unfortunate incident. All of the parties involved are feeling the hardships from this..The Ernst family for the loss of the patriarch of their family and the boy's families for the boys making a bad decision and then having all the heat being pushed upon the families for having to answer all the questions of why it happened..
I don't think it was 1st degree murder. 1st degree murder is that they went to the house and PURPOSELY went to kill Mr Ernst. From the reports that wasn't the case. This is 2nd degree murder. Also, There are plenty of rumors floating around as to what happened that night. Were any of us there? The only ones that know are the boys involved and Mr and Mrs Ernst..Everyone needs to keep quiet about what happened and let the police DO THEIR JOB and get it right..
There are many things that went on that night before the incident (reports of them being at other houses and being foiled, stolen gun, Ernst's window open for whatever reason, etc..)
Yes our town has been robbed of some of its small town feel where we could keep our cars and houses unlocked..It is unfortunate that we have to do this and believe me when I say that I have had more than my fair share of things stolen in my day.
I don't think that we (the community) need to persecute the families of the boys for the mistakes made by them. the families didn't know (i would hope that if they did, they would have tried to stop them) that they were going to go out and try and rob a whole neighborhood in one evening.
Please stop all this and let the system do its job. If the system fails after this then we can all go from there. The officers doing the work on this case are doing their best to make sure that the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed to get this one right..

If you feel the need to bash on me in this post then go right ahead..I won't reply because its your opinion and you are entitled to it..

Just a quick note...

As far as the murder charge goes, no one is saying that the defendants entered the home with the intent to kill anyone. In Wyoming however, a 1st Degree Murder charge is mandated whenever someone dies in the commission of certain felonies, and aggravated burglary is one of those felonies. That is why the 1st Degree Murder is warranted. Just wanted to let you know why that was the charge.

Moving On

Your comments are reasonable and articulate and there is certainly no reason for anyone to attack them.

I would just make a couple of points.

It could certainly be assumed that the boys didn't go into the house with the specific plan of killing anyone. Normally, in just a murder case, it would not be 1st degree murder without that premeditation. However, in this instance, whenever someone dies as a result of committing a felony (burglary) in this case, then all the actors can be charged with first degree murder. There are certainly folks who don't agree with this and the all of the boys might not eventually be found guilty of 1st degree murder. But under the law, charging them all with 1st degree murder is the correct charge.

Discussion here could be healthy if we keep guys like wyo joe from spreading hate. This is not a racial issue. There are ten times the amount of white kids as all of the minorities combined running around doing stupid stuff out there. I personally would have loved to see Sheridan Media delete those inflammatory posts.

Justice has to and will run its course. But this murder brings up issues to the surface that are important to the community. People are outraged and upset and rightfully so. With this act being so random, it could have been any of us that could have been killed. This was a murder without any purpose whatsoever and it is completely fair to ask if there is something going on with this kids beforehand and is there some kind of intervention that could have taken place that might have prevented it. By asking those questions we can all look at ourselves and how we live our lives and help others so that we can make this community better.

The parents and families should not be run out of town or blamed for the murders. But it is reasonable to ask and learn what was going on with these kids beforehand.

It is also not unreasonable to want justice. To want the system to work and for the boys to be charged and sentenced under the full extent of the law.

I am still struggling with trying to comprehend and deal with what has happened. My heart breaks for Linda and her daughters whom I've known my entire life.

Yikes

What is this whole incident about involving a judge and the family member of one of the accused? This just keeps getting uglier.

Yikes..

wyo1234..

I think this is totally coincidental..at least one would hope so...

I 2nd that

I too believe it was merely a flook. The Bear Cloud boys have many friends and just because Bryce happened to be there means nothing. He is a good boy.

Dani

Prayers for all

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, times are changing. Sheridan's ambivalence about the alcohol and drug problems is very much at the heart of this problem. I fear that we have turned away from the problem for too long, and now will reap the consequences as a result. I hope that this is an isolated incident...I doubt it. I work with, and around youth of Sheridan and know that the drug/alcohol problems are probably worse than they have been in a long time.

I would encourage all parents and community members to start paying attention to the problem that so many of us professionals in the community have been worried about. This is a such a sad situation that I can only hope that change occurs as a result...and not for the worse. Please teach our young people compassion as well as accountability. Enough has been said about these three men that no added opinions would help. However, look at the young people on the cusp of getting into trouble, or the ones that already are. Maybe different paths can be had as a result of this horrific crime.

Prayers of healing to all in Sheridan.

to dani

thank you so much hun. we should get together some time..take care

jen

To Jen

I am writting to tell you that if you ever need to talk or just a good cry I am here for you. One of my brothers have been to prison and at the young age of 16. The other one almost went for 10 years. I know personally how it feels. I also have children. They can turn their lives around if given the chance and have faith that the law will take into consideration the age of the boys and what they did take part in. Much love ,take care, and never lose hope.

Dani

Back atcha!!

You are so very welcome. If you ever want to contact me Frank Sr. knows how. One love and keep your head up.

Dani

dani

thanks so much and if you want my number you can call native uncle cause he has my husbands number and mine but it might get mixed up lol so if my husband answers just ask for me...

jen

Jen

You can also get ahold of me on MySpace...pure_tahira@yahoo.com

Dani

to close to home

I love a good political discourse, but this is just to close to home for me, to those whom I have offended I was upset but non the less wrong in a lot of the things I said because at times I'm an over reacting non listening turd. To the families here I'm very sorry for your loss and anguish. I hope to see many of you on another thread here, but not for a while.

to gollum

thank you :)

jen

to everyone

look all of this has gotten me really exhausted i am a mother of 3 kids, whom my brother loves dearly and they love him..i dont care anymore what is said..im just done, i have more important things to do like focus on my brother and pray for him and the ernst family.thats where all my energy is going to go from now on i could sit and argue but what good does it do anyway? in my life i have met some awesome people who were black, indian, spanish, white, chinese, ect...not all of us are bad not all of us are good. but we havent done anything to anyone and it isnt doing anyone any good to keep bickering its just getting everyone more upset.so to you i say thank you for understanding and praying for us as well. and to wyojoe we are done with you also dont care what you say at all cause its worthless, and just leave us alone

jen

Just to let you know

My family is praying for your family as well!

Stop hating, start heaeling!

This was a very sad, very scary thing that happened! I live in this neighborhood, and I am fearful to leave windows open, or doors unlocked, and I don't like to feel this way! I hate that my children are afraid. This was very tragic. But in reading some of the posts I find it hard to understand how this has turned into a racial issue, a hate mill! Everyone is pointing fingers, appointing blame, wishing death on these kids. I'm angry, very angry. This was a horrendous crime. These boys will be punished, and should be! My heart aches for the Ernst family! How will Linda Ernst ever feel safe again? How will she ever close her eyes and not see that horrible image of her beloved husband being shot? I don't know! This community is in shock, I'm in shock! But to continue this hate solves nothing. I prayed for the Ernst family, the families of these boys, I prayed for these kids as well! We prayed for all of them in church. We may never understand how this awful thing could have happened. But it is time to start healing, and stop hating! Sheridan is not the safe, sleepy little town it claims to be! I was here less then a month and I had a home invasion, right here in this same neighborhood. Neighborhood watch, common sense, staying vigilant these are practices we all need to concentrate on. Lets reclaim our community, lets start the process of healing. I'm not at all down playing the seriousness of this crime. But I believe if the rage, and hate continues it will lead to someone else being hurt, or killed, and will continue to fuel the wildfire of fear. Neither the Ernst family, or the families of these boys have had a chance to deal with the impact of this horrible situation! Lets think of them, and give them a chance to catch their breath.

Realism isn't Racism,live

Realism isn't Racism,live with it.

When you don't do anything all day------------- ------- -------- -------.It's fairly easy to wander around at 1am and break into houses and vandalize property.The police can't possibly keep up with all these ------ -------- and they can't depend on the families to do anything.

SCARY

You sound like a scary person, very full of hate! It's time to start healing. Why are you using the race card? We can be filled with rage, and hate, or we can unite and help clean up this community and make it a safer place.

Realism is relative

Your reality is greatly skewed. You're being a racial opportunist.

Are you helping the cause of healing in Sheridan right now? That cause is certainly more important than the one you've taken up. Please join me Wyo Joe, in refocusing this discussion into one that benefits ALL people of Sheridan, and not one that feeds into the fires of insecurity, accusation and spite.

Ralph Amsden

wow!

Alot of the comments on this forum are blowing my mind...

First of all i send my best wishes to the Ernst family, and for the families of the boys, I wish you the best as well, and i agree with most people on here...

Sheridan is no longer considered a safe town, how long do you think it will be for his wife to be able to fall asleep at night peacefully, wondering what every single sound she hears...how do you think anyone will be able to fall asleep wondering if there house will be next...

This is crazy!But I agree with the law in the fact all three should be charged equally, just because one pulled the trigger, the other two didnt stop him from doing it right? So therefore they were a part of it! An eye for an eye in my opinion, yes its harsh, but lets play the what if game, what if Mr. Ernst was your grandfather instead or your father or husband...how would you feel about that... like i said an eye for an eye!

I also agree that the town is at fault for it, kids under the age of 18 have a curfew in this town its 10 pm, my question is why were the 15 and 16 year old out at 1 in the morning? The nineteen year old should just know better, but hey they committed a crime, so none of them knew better. The comment was made that spanking is abusing your kids, that is just BS, have you ever thought that after you told your child to sit in the corner and you tell them to "think about what they did" what do you think they are thinking about? Sheridan doesnt have enough "cool" youth oriented things to do in this town, all we have are bars, banks and fast food. We dont have any decent places for kids to go, and you would think that yes even though its summer, you shouldnt be out till 1 in the morning.

The discipline in this town is poor, and i totally disagree that these were "good kids in a bad situation" if they were good kids they would have been at home with there families at 1 am sleeping, instead of breaking into Mr. Ernst's home!

I also disagree that the families of the boys should be ran out of town, the are hurting too knowing that there sons will be in prison for the rest of there lives, maybe that will teach the boys a lesson??

I honestly think the law inforcement in this town needs to be increased, driving around EVERYWHERE making sure there arnt stray kids walking around, shoot at ten at night i was taking photos for a photography class out at the college and an HP pulled up next to me to see what i was doing i was just taking photos, what do you think kids at 1 in the morning are doing?!?!?!?

I JUST DONT GET IT!! What i do know is, I don't feel safe in this town anymore! And it disappoints me to know this even happened to our town, the community needs to rise above this and figure out what it can do to fix this...yes its a big task, but the saying is true it takes a village to raise a child! If this is how we are raising children, i dont want my children to be raised here!

I KNOW

i know you all are angry and scared..i am too, but that in now way is any reason to make racial comments..we do understand because i sleep on edge too. if everyone including me would just try and focus on something else instead of being so mean and hateful i think this town would be alot better. but you have to understand why i have gotten so upset, that is my brother and anyone of you whos brother did this would feel the same way, you would feel horrible for the ernst famiy and you would still love your brother and thats all i am trying to say iam not trying to be mean or hateful i am actually a pretty sweet person but all this racial stuff has got to stop..i am white i am no where near racist and its ridiculous how ignorant this town is..we do have a lawyer and we know alot more to the story then ya'll do so please just back off and let all the families grieve and i am not gonna be mean and hateful anymore it just brings me down to their pathetic level..take care everyone......i love you native uncle

jen

you're right

You're absolutely right, the racist posts are unacceptable. I hope for your family that as much as possible your brothers involvement was minimal, and that whatever his involvement he gets a fair and impartial hearing and trial, we should all no matter how mad we are about what these boys did at least want a fair trial. I also hope for your family (who folks commited no crime here) to find some peace from all this.

I can no longer keep silent

There is common ground despite the scattered and emotional ranting posted throughout this thread from many different sides:

Sympathy and caring for Bob Ernst and his family.

There is room for everyone to stand there.

Every breath of anger, hatred, racism, justification and blame is merely vapor. It is wasted energy. I pray that the amount of energy dedicated to this thread is being PERSONALLY matched in charity and healing by each one of you.

For those that decide to continue to let their angers chase away the humanity and reality of what happened, and make the choice to treat this like it's just another topic of the day, up for dissection and political punditry, know that you'll meet a judge as well.

Know your role, everybody. Love eachother. Step up in the face of adversity. Come together for Bob, and don't let the downward spiral that is this message board become part of his legacy.

Ralph Amsden

it was ok, maybe even healthy

It was ok to vent for a few days here, Maybe even healthy but it's time to move on. It's gotten to the point, actually way past the point of being disrespectful to Bob and his family. It's OK to chat and work through things here but after three or four days it's time to stop calling for executions in the streets and show a little respect for a man who was very well thought of by his family and community.

Your evolution is encouraging

It is evident that your presence on this site and comment thread takes up a great deal of your time and energy. I appreciate that while you have helped to shape and drive some of the darker aspects of this discussion, you are now committed to honoring Bob above all else. I hope that others on all sides of this take notice and follow suit. Bob's memory is the central issue. Let us dedicate ourselves to do what is good and just in his name.

Ralph Amsden

Hang um all.

They should all die if they are guilty. No since spending tax payers money keeping them alive in prison.

to hang um all

dont you ever talk about wyatt and jr. that way

jen

Lets be clear

Lets be clear here these boys had every oppotunity to turn their lives around long before they ended up killing someone. From their first brush with the law to the time they entered this house they could have turned their lives around and chose not to. Thats not the fault of their teachers, the police, or the community. This state has good schools, services for youth and offers wonderful educational opportunities. Furthermore the public does not care what race thry are, the public is infuriated, and judges them based on their actions. Hiding behind race and history is cowardly and unlikley to sway a jury.

lets be clear about sompthing else

What these kids did was terrible, in my mind inexcusable. Whatever it did it should NEVER be used as an excuse for blind hate. There's a lot of good native Americans around just as there are a lot of worthless and despicable white people. My personal interactions with those of native Americans, blacks, and Hispanic persons in the Sheridan area have been positive.
Does anyone here remember Bobby Rivers, he used to own lazy river pawn on main, I don't know if he was Hispanic or native American for sure and I really never thought to ask. He was always a friendly decent human being. He died a few years ago and when some here make racist comments it's very offensive.

Well Sheridan, this

Well Sheridan, this situation has uncovered the ugly truth about Sheridan. So many hateful people and racists. It looks like this forum (where some people express their positive thoughts and prayers to those hurting and others use to solve problems) has become a medium to express a deeper problem in the community- fear and hate. Really, it is no surprise to me what people say on here, but I am glad that Sheridan Median has left it open for everyone to become aware.

Hateful comments

Hateful racial comments such as Wyo Joes may be one reason these boys are so angry that they came to commit the crime. You can't have much love for yourself if you have to hate others to make yourself feel good.

still unanswered

what is still not answered is why the police did not make known to the public prior to this was the burglaries or attempted burglaries that had been going on for several weeks. and with what I'm reading from family and friends of the accused, there is a lot of anger. how are we to feel safe in our own homes after this? I sure haven't slept well since this happened, on edge all night.

Police information

I'd just like to point out the the prior attempted burglaries that the three defendants are suspected of, all happened earlier in that same night. It wasn't going on for weeks before. Other than the theft of the firearm, any other recent burglaries have nothing to do with this case. The most recent burglary prior to this act was the break in at Video Depot and the police were very forthcoming with that information and suspects in that case have been arrested and are already in the court process. It is in law enforcement's best interest to keep us informed as an attempt at preventing these crimes rather than having to solve them.

If this were my family

If this were my family I'd be talking to his attorney trying to prepare a legal defense for him, not sitting on the Internet proclaiming for all of maybe ten people here that he shouldn't be charged with murder because he wasn't the trigger man. According to the law he can still be charged this way and it doesn't matter if he was the one who actually pulled the trigger or not. It's hard to say what a jury will do but I'd be a lot more worried about them, than some old farts venting on a community web page. Your friends are in serious doo doo, to say the least.

the judging is the people...

the judging is the people who are telling the families to get out of town and talking about them behind their backs. they have the right to stay in this town just as much as the people putting them down

TO NATIVE UNCLE

get em' you go boy!!! love you..:)

jen

got who?

Got who? these three boys killed a man, and are now looking forward to at least 25 years, and possibly life in prison, who do you think you "got" some guy on the internet who has nothing to do with the fate of these boys? Go right on ahead and gloat if it makes ya happy, a man who never harmed these boys is still dead, and three boys are still looking at life in jail. I hope that these boys get an attorney who is a lot better at convincing a judge or jury to go easy on on them than you guys are. Generally judges don't care terribly much that your land was stolen 100 years ago, or that the defendant was a "good guy" liked by his friends and family. Try telling a judge or jury they have no right to judge these boys.

What is your point?

Of course, the charge might eventually get dropped to something else. That is always a possibility. Even if he does get charged with 1st degree murder, that doesn't mean that he will get life in prison either.

Your argument was that he should not have been CHARGED
with 1st degree murder. Well, yes he should have. We'll see what happens down the road as that might change.

Deciding whether or not they should be charged with 1st degree murder isn't about judging anyone. It is about applying the law to what they did. That has been done, and done correctly.

wyo1234

wow u sound like kate gosslin...i dont care wat u think...the bear clouds are friends and no one can judge them if they dont know them. and fyi if they make a plea deal they might not get 1st degree. so dont be so effing pessimistic.

Well

Then maybe you should run for legislature when you are old enough and try to change the law. But until then, 1st degree murder it is.

I've made bad decisions. What those boys did was not a bad decision. It was a reckless, irresponsible, careless, foolish, horrific and unspeakable evil act.

KIDS

You people need to SHUT UP...I have know Wyatt's Family (brothers) sinces i was in 2nd Grade. You people cant judge them for what they have done. Yea Wyatt made a extremely stupid desission. But he nor jr should be charged with 1st degree. Dhar was the one who shot Ernst. Dhar is the one who should get the harsher sentence. However none of them desirve the death penalty. Yes all of them made a really bad desission of trying to rob someone and killing the man. But the people who dont know them shouldnt judge them if they have know idea of who they are and what their like. So all of u Haters SHUT UP

the charges

No one here is charging your friend, perhaps you need to talk to the county attorney. Your friend will be judged by a jury of his peers.

to kids

you go!!!!right on..thank you :)

jen

back in the day

All I have say is if these kids would have had some kind of discipline in there lives this kind of thing would never happen. I don't blame the parents so much as society because if you spank your kids you get in trouble because your abusing your kids. I was spanked as a kid both by my parents grandparents and teachers at school and I have never broken into anyone's home or shot anyone.

a serious conversation

I've made more than a few very angry statements here, as have others. I've decided to go back an delete anything that the system will allow, perhaps one or two people can do the same. This place was a good way to vent a lot of anger many people had about what happened but maybe enough is enough. This doesn't mean I think these boys are not responsible for their actions, but maybe we can all have a little more civil conversation for as long as Sheridan media allows this thread to be open.

I think the community need

I think the community need to let the wheels of justice turn in this matter. Two of the three will flip on the shooter and testify. That will get one of the three at best life without parole, worst death. The other two will most likely get 20 to 25... I do feel the community does deserve the right to question and inspect the facts of how we got to this point. Part of the problem is people somewhere along the line feel thats not the case. As a community "We are our brothers keeper", and when we neglect that fact we fall into situations like this. I firmly belive the community should solve this issue.. As to how to go about it I cant say I have the answer, but open discussion is a good start.

TO THE ERNST FAMILY

I AM SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOUR FAMILY

TOO THE FAMILIES OF THE 3 BOYS

I AM SO SORRY THAT PEOPLE ARE TAKING IT OUT ON YOUR FAMILIES. THATS NOT RIGHT THEY ARE TELLING YOU TO GET OUT OF TOWN. THEY NEED TO REALIZE YOU ARE GOING THROUGH ALOT TOO. ALSO MY HEART GOES OUT TO ALL OF YOU

to poobee43

thank you so much

jen

we are done

AS FOR ME AND MY FAMILY WE ARE NOT GONNA BE BROUGHT DOWN WITH YOUR IGNORANCE SO WE ARE DONE READING THIS CRAP!!!!WE KNOW THE TRUTH AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS YOU ALL CAN GO ON TALKING YOUR BLAHS ABOUT US WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOU OR YOUR PATHETIC CRAP THAT ISNT EVEN WORTH READING ANYWAY! TO THE REST OF YOU THAT CARE THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS WILL BE WITH YOU..AND THANKS FOR EVERYTHING YOU SAID YOUR WORDS BRING US COMFORT...

jen

Info

For the family members here in denial. I'm sure you don't want to see all three boys viewed as murderers or convicted of murderers. But that is what the law says.

All three boys committed a felony and someone died as a result of their actions while committing a felony. Thus all three get charged with murder. There was only one trigger man. But ultimately, all three are responsible for what happened.

Just for informational purposes, here are the mitigating factors according to Wyoming law that could influence the sentence that the three boys receive for murder.

(j) Mitigating circumstances shall include the following:

(i) The defendant has no significant history of prior criminal activity;

(ii) The murder was committed while the defendant was under the influence of extreme mental or emotional disturbance;

(iii) The victim was a participant in the defendant's conduct or consented to the act;

(iv) The defendant was an accomplice in a murder committed by another person and his participation in the homicidal act was relatively minor;

(v) The defendant acted under extreme duress or under the substantial domination of another person;

(vi) The capacity of the defendant to appreciate the criminality of his conduct or to conform his conduct to the requirements of law was substantially impaired;

(vii) The age of the defendant at the time of the crime;

(viii) Any other fact or circumstance of the defendant's character or prior record or matter surrounding his offense which serves to mitigate his culpability.

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wyo joe [custer] what the

wyo joe [custer] what the hell u are on the rez. if u dont know this land u live on is indian land that was stolen. By your ancestors who went into innocent peoples homes and murdered them and starved them off there land so dont be stupid. I dont care how long ago this happend it steel happened.

relevance

And of what relevance is this the the case of the three boys? What happened 150 years ago, no matter how wrong is no excuse for what these boys did.

The Relavence IS!!!

Ignorant asses like you have no Idea how deep those racist words cut. I am Oglala Sioux and do not thrive on what happened to my family. I am proud of my heritage. People like you keep us on the the defence!!! You and Wyo Joe!!! It is relavent to what was said because Nativeuncle is trying to educate you, but you are clearly not receptive to knowledge. So I will try to help him (NATIVEUNCLE). Our land was taken from us and then sold back to us!!! My ancesters were given drugs and alcohol and told it was medicine. Now you wanna call us drunks, drug addicts. If you are gonna try to sound smart get an Eucation first.

Dani

I can understand your

I can understand your outrage over the past, but no one alive today had anything to do with what happened to your people, and certainly the victim of this crime was not responsible. As a history buff I'm somewhat aware of the atrocities committed against your people. I made one comment, a comment in bad taste, about people being thrown out of town. The comment was to say the least horrific however it had nothing to do with race and I would have said it had the kids been blond haired and blue eyed. So between you, and wyoming joe does the world ever find any peace?

U are all responsible for

U are all responsible for what happend. and deep down u know it. Leave the bear clouds alone and let the law do its job and this wont have to get bigger then it already is . Gullum iam sorry that u have kids that are going to grow up to have your same mindset. We are steel being held down by this goverment and its people. To Dani thank u my fellow lakota hang in there. NORTHERN OGLALA native uncle Dayton WY

Nativeuncle

You are very welcome. I used to date Tom and I feel such grief for what has happened. I love those boys like my own brothers and this a hard pill for all of us to swallow. When I read some of the comments made I cried. Everyone has lost sooo much. God willing we can all ban together to help these kids and others. Keep your head up.

Dani

Don't turn it.

Now you want peace.I have been at peace for a number of years. I am one of the most peaceful people I know and was mearly explaining the point. I don't like drama and wish people would grow up. Everyone in this town is paying for this crime in one way or another. The stuff that happened to my ancesters didn't happen to me and it doesn't affect my life in this day at all. The point is that it does for some. You are trying to act like your hurtfull comments are no longer causing hurt. I think that Wyo Joe...well I don't even need to say anything on this..he has made his own bed. You made more than one comment in poor taste and you don't listen to anyone. Everything someone says is overreacted to by you. I hope you have truely looked into your hear and do feel badly for all involved. Please don't try to turn it on me. Maybe you should comment to Wyo Joe about peace.

Dani

please see some of my statements further down the thread

Please take a look at some of my recent statements further down the thread, yes I did make more than one comment in poor taste and I'm sorry that those comments are still causing hurt. I won't bother trying to talk to Wyoming Joe, and was VERY misguided to compare you to him. While I may disagree with you they are honest disagreements, Wyoming Joe is purely trying to bait and hurt people here. Yes I have over reacted a lot on this thread I guess I was just totally shocked nothing like this has ever happened here before and I was very angry. Foolishly I funneled that anger into destructiveness, as many here have and I am truly sorry.

TO YOUD HAVE TO MOVE

how ignorant and stupid you are!!!!!!

jen

enough

Enough of this run out of town crap, In a moment of anger I suggested this, for the record these people should not be harassed or run out of town, it was an incredibly stupid thing to have said, I was very rightfully flamed for it, and took down any statements I had made that anyone should be run out of town. Again NO ONE SHOULD BE SUGGESTING THAT ANYONE BE RUN OUT OF TOWN, and since my stupid post to my knowledge no one has suggested it.

Ditto

You had already acknowledged long ago you made a mistake and recanted your comment. But those who want forgiveness for the boys seem to be angry and not letting it go. I guess the shoe is on the other foot.

DONE!!!

I AM SO DONE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO SAY THAT US THE FAMILIES NEED TO BE RUN OUT OF TOWN.SERIOUSLY THIS IS WHERE I GET PISSED. YOU DONT KNOW US OR ANYTHING ABOUT US I AM NOT GONNA SINK TO YOUR LEVEL AND JUST DISPLAY NOTHING BUT HATE ON HERE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY I WILL PERSONALLY GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS AND YOU CAN COME SAY IT TO ALL OF US!!!!!! WE NEVER ONCE SAID THAT WE DIDNT FEEL UTTER REMORSE FOR THE ERNST FAMILY, I PERSONALLY WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR THEM, I AM NOT DENYING WHAT THE BOYS DID, I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND I DONT CONDONE IT AT ALL BUT YOU PEOPLE ARENT MAKING IT ANY EASIER ON ANY OF THE FAMILIES TO GRIEVE.THE LAST THING THAT THIS EVIL, HYPOCRITICAL TOWN NEEDS IS MORE HATRED!!!WHAT IS THAT REALLY TEACHING OUR KIDS HUH? AND TO YOU PEOPLE WHO SAYS MY BROTHER AND WYATT NEEDS TO BE PUT DOWN LIKE THE RABID DOGS THEY ARE WELL JUST SHOWS HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE, AND I HOPE YOUR KIDS DONT GROW UP WITH THE SAME HATRED THAT YOU HAVE!! THE FAMILIES HAVE DONE NOTHING TO ANY ONE OF YOU TO TRY TO MAKE US RUN OUT OF TOWN AND PUT TOTAL BLAME ON US..WE DIDNT DO ANYTHING WRONG TO YOU!!! TO EVERYONE WHO IS PRAYING FOR US THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I PRAY FOR YOU TOO..I PRAY EVERYDAY FOR THE ERNST FAMILY AND HOPE SOMEDAY THEY CAN HAVE PEACE, SAFETY AND HAPPINESS BACK IN THEIR LIVES...AND JUST BECAUSE I LOVE MY BROTHER AND DONT WANT TO SEE HIM GO TO PRISON FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE DOESNT MEAN I OR ANY OTHER ONE OF THESE FAMILIES ARENT GOOD PEOPLE..ALL OF US ARE IN A BAD SITUATION WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO OVERCOME ALSO..AND YES THESE WERE GOOD KIDS WHO PUT THEMSELVES IN A BAD SITUATION AND THEY ARE GONNA LIVE WITH IT FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES..BUT I DO AGREE WITH LET THE PUNISHMENT FIT THE CRIME AND I DONT BELIEVE THAT WYATT AND DENNIS JR. NEED TO BE CHARGED WITH MURDER!!!!!!THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW AND TO ANYONE OF YOU WHO ARE ABOUT TO BE HATEFUL TO THIS LIKE I SAID I WILL PERSONALLY GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS AND YOU CAN COME SAY IT TO US, CAUSE WE ARE DEFINATELY NOT IN THE MOOD TO DEAL WITH YA'LLS B.S. RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!! MY NAME IS JEN BY THE WAY AND ALOT OF YOU KNOW WHO I AM!!!!!!

jen